Two Friends From ’97 Talking Life: Family, Loss, Business, and Growth

I recently sat down with a good friend I’ve known since freshman year of high school in Las Vegas — way back in 1997. Life has taken us in every direction since then, but this conversation felt like picking up right where we left off.

We talked about everything that shapes who you become as an adult:
• starting a family
• losing family members and navigating grief
• the realities of business ownership
• how much perspective changes as you grow

It’s honest, grounded, and one of those conversations you don’t get often enough.

Here’s the episode if you’d like to listen:
https://open.spotify.com/episode/31WGwkODkga8SGoP4Kgqbd?si=2257ef194b9b42e7

And if you’re into deeper conversations about spirituality, hardship, mindset, and finding direction, check out his podcast Standing Nowhere here:

https://open.spotify.com/show/2XGIn9OSoHAsFWctue4nUy?si=69566f997a1f4383